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jobs here and then.... >> once people come to d.c. they never leave. >> john: that is our show. i'm john stossel. thanks f >> i'm john roberts in for chris wallace. turmoil and transition turned deadly in egypt and expose a deep divide in the arab world. >> john: the country's first democratically elected leader forced from office. the military now in control and the path forward unclear as the u.s. walks a fine line with our largest arab ally. >> we are on the side of the egyptian people. we want their voices to be heard. we want all sides to engage with each other and work through a political solution. >> john: we will discuss with two key senators. republican bob corker and democrat jack reed. then, the battle over abortion in texas. >> the people who were here
have really been fed up watching what happened by the governor. >> they will resort to mob tactics to force their minority agenda on the people of texas. >> we will talk with governor rick perry about his efforts to pass one of the toughest abortion laws in the land. plus, the delay of a key component of obama care. the employer mandate. we will ask our sunday panel what it means for the president's signature domestic issue. all right now on "fox news sunday." >> john: and hello again from fox news in washington. we will get to the situation in egypt in a moment. first, the latest on that deadly crash landing in san francisco. a national transportation safety board team arrived early this morning to begin its investigation into the crash of asiana flight 214. the boeing 777 slammed into the runway on saturday morning, killing at least two people and
injuring dozens more. our adam housely is at san francisco international airport and joins us with the latest on the crash. good morning, adam. >> good morning, john. the california ntsb team was here within hours and then joined by the washington, d.c. team overnight. they had a chance to get out there and gate preliminary look as their investigation is now well underway. two black boxes have been recovered in good condition. they have already been flown back to washington, d.c. and are being analyzed and will help guide the investigation. they also tell us when you look at the fuselage and that wreckage it is amazeing that so many people walked away from the crash unharmed. in fact, take a listen to one survivor. he tells quite a tale. >> the thing was cracked on o the right inside but you we managed to open the door. somebody helped me push it out. there were no slides when i looked outside i could see debris. a piece of the wing step on this and then go down further.
>> the two victims were two teenaged girls from china. chinese nationals on their way from los angeles through san francisco as part of a summer camp. we have is not been told as to what caused their deaths. the rest of the group did survive the crash here in san francisco. there are a number of people being treat heed at nine different area hospitals. lass number of people in critical condition. those numbers continue to fluctuate. as for the investigation going back to that, the ntsb says they will be here for probably a week before they have it all cleaned up and before san francisco international airport gets back to normal. john? >> as you said, adam, when you look at remains of the aircraft the it is remarkable that so many people got out alive. adam hously for us at san francisco international airport. thanks. >> any time. >> john: president obama condemning the violence in egypt but reiterating that the united states is not taking
sides. fox news correspondent greg palkot in cairo with the latest developments for us this morning. greg? >> rival camps here in cairo arguing. including in tahrir square behind me and more violence is feared as well. there was a large gathering of supporters of ousted egyptian president muhammad morsi. they are calling for his rein tatement and their leaders are telling activists to lay down their lives for them. there have been dozens killed, over a thousand injured. this amid turmoil inside the military led interim government. after confirming to fox news and others last night that muhammad elbaradei would be the new prime minister. we are waiting for more word on that. the u.s. is taking heat from
both sides highlighted by a very angry protest outside the american consulate in alexandria. those favoring axed president morsi feel that the u.s. in must have okayed a military takeover and those backing change feel that washington supported morsi for too long. finally, a burial today of a christian post who was shot and killed in egypt's sinai peninsula over the weekend. there are fears of an uptick in sectarian violence here. the morsi-led government was accuse of allowing attacks against christians. islamists also allegedly attacked a natural gas pipeline in the sinai today. trouble on a lot of fronts, john. >> john: joining us with how the u.s. should respond to egypt, senator bob corker, the ranking republican on the foreign relations committee. he jones us from afghanistan this morning. and senator jack reed a democrat a member of the armed services committee and joins us from his home state of rhode island.
we should point out for view ares sake there will be a significant delay in our communications with senator corker because of the satellite hops it takes to get to afghanistan. senator corker start with you. you heard what current greg palkot had to say about the mass demonstrations today. are you worried about a further escalation of violence in egypt and what are the possible consequences if there is an escalation? >> i think there is no question he. i received a call late last night from the administration and they are involved in trying to calm all sides but i think that is what our role should be right now, john is obviously something has happened that is going to provoke a lot of unrest for some time and it has implications in other parts of the region. what we should be doing right now is urging calmness undaring the military to move through the civilian process as quickly as possible. to ask the muslim brotherhood
to act with some degree of responsibility as it relates to what is happening. but our role right now, should be one of applying calm, trying to get our partners in the region to do the same thing. obviously there has been a lot of problems in egypt for a lot of time. people are frustrated with that. our role should be to help in every way we can to preserve a more calm atmosphere as they try to move through the very treacherous environment right now. >> senator reed you heard what senator corker had to say, thinks we should appeal to the h muslim brotherhood to show responsibility here. it would appear that they don't want to listen to us. the supreme guide at the muslim brotherhood said "may the lord destroy secular opponents of islam. ". they are protesting outside of our consulate in alexandria. talk of possible civil war there. is anybody do you think over there with the exception of the people trying to put together the government willing to
listen to the united states? >> i think many who are willing to listen to the united states. i concur with bob's assess inment. we have to be a force of stability and support for a very quick transition to a fully elected democratic government. so the military has to make clear what the time table is and they have to move to be inclusive. one of the problems with morsi, he was increasingly exclusive. he was increasingly authorityian and that view is not going to work for the people of egypt nor is it going to work for the united states. in addition to that we have to actively engage regional powers particularly with economic assistance to egypt. one of the causes of this popular turmoil was a terrible economic situation as well as increasing isolation of morsi from the mainstream of egyptian politics. there are people listening and i think they will be responsible. ultimately, though, this will be the egyptians task to create
a government that is stable, productive and protects the people of egypt. >> john: senator corker do you believe that the president has been handling this appropriately. he said he is not taking sides here. he has issued warnings anded a mow knicks to the egypt -- and admonitions to the egyptian government. but at the same time he cannot be sad that morsi is gone. do you think he is handling it appropriately? >> i'm in a country where what we wish to happen and what happens isn't always the same. i came from pack tan where numbers of issues exist there and things that we like to occur don't always occur. people sometimes think because we are in fact the greatest nation on earth today that because we want something to happen it will. i think that again urging calm, we need to remember that the reason we conduct foreign
policy, the reason people like me are here and jack and others to the same thing is we are trying to project our nation's national interest -- protect. and what we need to look at here is what is in your national interest and calm in that area obviously egypt breaking apart is not good for the allies that we have. we do have some treaties that are in place that are very important. we need to keep that in mind. so again, i don't know what else our nation can do at this time other than to urge the military to move along in a responsible way. to urge all parties to recognize that they have been part of this process. it is broken down. we can assess what happened down the road and who caused all of this to occur but at present as a nation these people who have run for office, these parties who have been created to move this country ahead need to realize that right now breaking that apart is not in their interest, certainly not in our interest and again at the present i'm not sure what else the united
states can do other than trying to be a calming voice and doing the same with the rest of the neighborhood. >> senator reed, one thing that is talked about that the u.s. could do is cut off aid to egypt's military. the president stopped short of calling this a military coupe. american law would demand, require that if the president and state department did declare this a military coupe that aid be cutover off. senator mccain and leahy said they think aid should be cut off. let's play what senator mccain said on friday. >> we have to suspend aid to the egyptian military because the egyptian military has overturned the vote of the people of egypt. >> john: senator reed, senator mccain clearly by inference said there was a military coup.
do you agree? >> you have military forces acting to essentially carry out a widespread popular views in the country against a regime that was becoming increasingly. >> but a regime tha roux good t was democratically elected. >> but the people of egypt were growingly concerned about the direction of this government. on a practical basis we have to look and ask a simple question he. will cutting off aid accelerate or enhance the opportunities and the chances to have a truly democratic government. i don't think so. i think also there are other strategic issues at play. one is the transit of the suez canal. a stable relationship between egypt and the state of israel. also ongoing counter terrorism activities. i think we have to be very, very careful in terms of suspending aid or cutting it
off. i think what we have to do is insist that the military has a very rapid, very clear timeline, pathway to democratic elections that there is full participation in the elections and that we also engender much more economic support not from the united states but from the international community to assist the emerging and hopefully very quickly emerging democratic government in cairo. >> john: i want to move on to healthcare in a second but senator corker ain't to ask you another questions. a lot said the transition to elections should have been slower and allowed opposition parties to gather more support. do you think that was mistake to rush to throw mubarak overboard two years ago? >> i do think that our nation sometimes thinks that going to the ballot box is democracy and i do think that there is a rush
from time to time to try to move countries in that direction too quickly. i don't think egypt is mature yet in that regard and i think we need that this right now is an excellent opportunity, another chance for us to work with them in that regard. let me go back to the aid issue if i could, briefly. part of the aid that we supply is in support of the treaties and again we need to look at our national interest. there will be plenty of time to assess the aid issue. seems like washington always wants to jump to something that really in many cases at this moment does not matter. the aid doesn't flow on a daily basis. we'll have plenty of time to assess that and it seems to me that what we should be looking at is how the mi the country itself handles this transition. we need to encourage that. i think trying to jump top what we are going do relative to support at this moment is not the place that we need to be. >> john: let me he jump top healthcarefy could now.
and senator reed to you. the employer mandate delayed a year. is the whole affordable care act in jeopardy now? >> not at all. this was a response to concerns principally among the business commune that the information and the operational details would not be there and as a result i think the administration wisely decided to postpone for one year the mandate on employers. exchanges go into effect in october. coverage goes that effect. what they have done really affects small minority of businesses throughout the country. >> but you senator this is supposed to all work together economically. the individual mandate coupled with the employer mandate and now taking one piece of that away. does that throw a mess into the whole economics of this? and people have been complaining about that anyway. >> i don't think it does. i think the key factor is
effectively recruiting individuals to join the exchanges that make the exchanges attractive to companies who might want to come in and get their insurance through these exchanges. we are really talking about a very small fraction of companies. in fact, the vast majority of companies in this category provide healthcare already and they will continue to could so. i think given the potential confusion postponing it not eliminating but postponing it for a year makes sense. in fact, this was one of the major concerns of the business community and in fact the administration is responding to the concerns. >> and senator corker opponents of the affordable care act say let's not stop at delaying the mandate. let's repeal that part of the bill. would you support that? >> well, john, i think the point you made earlier is dead on. all of is these things are tied together and i don't know how you could create a mechanism
that has more downward pressure only employment than this healthcare bill. what it is doing to part-time workers meaning driving people to part-time effort. we have seen that most recently in the payroll numbers. what it is doing to keep employers from bringing on any kind of employee. it has been damaging and i think just moving it back a year is not going to undo the uncertainty that people have. so i think the administration is recognizing that this policy is very damaging to the employment in our nation and i'm glad they have taken this step and, yes, there is many other pieces of this if not all i would like to see undone and let's put something together that actually promotes economic growth in the nation and certainly gives people access to healthcare. to me this is not the way to do it. jack is aware there was supposed to be a technical corrections bill at the end of this that never occurred. what we are seeing right now is
the many flaws coming out of this piece of legislation. i'm glad this has been put off but i don't think it is going to undo the uncertainty that many businesses across our nation have nor do i think it going to do anything relative to the cap that it is putting on employment right now that we are seeing play out each month when we see the employment numbers released. >> john: we will mark that down as a vote in nava favor of rep. senator reed a quick response to what the senator just said and how do you implement the individual mandate while at the same time delaying the employer are mandate. could not a lot of employers dump healthcare, dump employees into the private exchanges as opposed to providing healthcare for them? >> first i think the majority of companies that are subject to the rule already provide healthcare and continue to do that for business reasons because they believe that their employees should have good healthcare coverage. i think this delay will give some companies the opportunity
to assess what they want to do and they will give the government the opportunity to be better in terms of reporting requirements. the overall thrust of the legislation is going forward. it has great momentum in terms of establishing the exchanges and making sure that people have cover and. we already have seen many benefits of affordable care. parents can keep children on the plans until they are 26. there are many things. also in the context of jobs we have seen another job growth this reporting period and we have to continue that. i think really if we want to talk about job growth we have to talk about more infrastruck infrastructure and more stimulus in the country. i think the affordable healthcare system is on a path to take off on time this fall. >> john: at least part will. not the employer mandate. thank you very much for joining us today. we very much purchase i apprec.
filibustered. a lot of talk that you will not stand for historic fourth term as texas governor. will you or won't you? >> well, i suppose you just need to be there in san antonio tomorrow and find out what everyone else. >> john: let's look at the tea leaves. a recent poll but the democratic leading ppp polling group finds 63% of texans don't think you should run again. i know you run in challenging times before. does that take a little bit of the fire out of your belly? >> not at all. polls are polls. as a matter of fact, i think it was four years ago that showed us 25 points down to a sitting united states senator and the fact is that hasn't got anything to do with what our focus is. i will have an announcement tomorrow you but we a special session with some important issues in front of us. we are going to pass some restrictions on abortion in texas so that texas is a place where we defend life. that is the powerful message
here. and that is what we are focused on. and politics will h take care of itself. >> john: you do have the big special exciting announcement about your future tomorrow that i want to come back to in a second. let's talk about the special session and abortion bill coming up again. we all know what happened to that when it was filibustered by state senator wendy davis in the closing hours of the special session. what are you doing this time around to ensure that that doesn't happen again? a lot of conservatives were very angry about the way that was handled. >> you know, it never happened before. when you look at texas history, people had relayed to me that never in the history of texas have they seen that type of a mob rule come in and discome bobbulate a legislative session. texans want to protect life and that is the bottom line here. calling another special session we can be in and out in ten days and get work done and transportation bill that was also killed and another juvenile justice bill addressed. theyville hearings tomorrow.
i full well expect the legislature to manage this and n. an appropriate way and get it done way before the 30 day period of the legislation runs out on a special session. >> john: also suspending the rule that would require two thirds approval to bring up debate. let me ask you about the comment you made there. you said mob rule and that is the quote and characterization that you have used before. senator davis stood up and filibustered under the rules a bill. does a filibuster constitute mob rule? >> not at all. you are misrepresenting what i'm saying here. it was the gallery that was out of control. literally out of control with no ability to hear what was going on on the senate floor. i think any one who watchd that would consider that to be mob rule. and to do it with the express purpose of running out the clock if you will. is what occurred. filibusters happen all the
time. if anybody wants to filibuster again they are welcome to do that that. the rules were followed on the senate floor. it was the decor ru decor up oe chamber put in bad light. i would suggest that the senate official also not let that happen again. >> what about the lieutenant governor david dewhurst he has seemed a little chagrined at how that was all handled. what will he do to ensure that the gallery does not try to take over the floor? >> again, it never happened the best i can tell in texas history has that ever happened. my sources rely that nothing like that has ever happened in texas history and the lieutenant governor i'm sure was as shocked as anyone and i'm also very confident that he is making arrangements if people want to come and disrupt the democratic process that they will be escorted out of the chamber appropriately. >> after the tilley buster and death of 9 -- after filibuster
you look what a lot of people saw as a personal swipe to senator davis at the national right to life conference. >> she was a teenaged mother herself. she manage managed to eventualy graduate from harvard law school and serve in the texas senate. it is just unfortunate that she hasn't learned from her own example that every life must be given a chance to realize its full potential and that every life matters. >> john: your comments were very popular among the audience in attendance but even republican house speaker joe strauss took exception. he said when perry crosses the line into the personal he damages himself and he damages the republican party. in hindsight, do you regret your comments and think that in you decide to run for president again in 2016 that those comments could hurt you with independent women? >> actually those comments were meant to be a compliment to her for what she had accomplished
in her life and you think about where she came from and what she has accomplished and, as a matter of fact, i would think that she is very proud of that as well. my point was that saving a life and leting that life come to its fulfillment and all of the good things that happen you never know when who is going to be considered to be an extraordinary individual, who is going to make that real impact in life and that was our point that we were taking and nothing else, nothing more. >> john: why do you think it was seen to differently by so many people including the republican speaker of the texas house? >> you know, i think this is such a volatile issue that people are grasping on to anything that they can criticize and not focusing on what is really at hand here. and the taking of life after 20 weeks is what this is about. the killing of babies that are viable outside their mom's
bodies after 20 weeks is what this is about. a lot of folks really don't want to talk about that. they would like to focus on practically anything rather than to say we support that process. >> there was talk, governor, that florida senator marco rubio may sign on to a national bill to ban abortion after 20 weeks. is that what is needed in your estimation, a national bill or should this be handled at the state level? >> well, i'm a good believer that the states are where these issues are best handled. i think it is the more efficient way. if someone wants to go with a national bill oriana constitutional amendment that is their right and it just takes a long time. in texas, we are going to support protecting life. we are going to stand up and say that after 20 weeks we are not going to allow abortion in our state. we will make sure that these health clinics are safe. that they are under the safety standards that any other
surgical facility would be under. and that to doctors have admitg procedure practices in place so that they can look after someone if the procedure goes bad. so those are commonsense approaches. ten other states have that as well. so this is going to pass and i'm pretty good at counting votes and i think the support is overwhelmingly there in the house and national. we will get this done and get texas focused on the economic interests that are going on and creating jobs and leading the nation in job creation. >> john: you think this is a done deal which gives me little bit of lee way to come back to the future political plans. one thing i'm wondering about is somebody seen as a good republican candidate for governor there in texas is the attorney general greg abbott. amassed a fortune of more than $18 million at last count to make a run. he said that heel not run against you in a primary.
are your plans to clear the decks for attorney general abbott to run for governor next year? >> well, again, i just give you a little advice tomorrow in san antonio i will announce my plans and at that particular point in time we can expand on that. >> would you think that general abbott would make a good governor? >> i think tomorrow afternoon will be more than happy to discuss what his future plans will be and or mine. >> john: let's talk about 2016. want to take another run at the presidency? >> certainly that is an option out there but again, we got a lot o of work to do in this building right behind me over the course of the next couple of weeks that have my focus substantially more than even 2014 or 2016. >> john: with the exception of the time that you will take out tomorrow to talk about the political future which brings knee another point, governor, if i could. a new poll from the university of texas the texas tribune
show that texans run more to the direction of ted cruz. polls show that he would beat you by 15 points and has a substantial margin among conservatives including people who describe themselves as very 2onservative and beats you 40-2 on the tea party front. do you work to do to win back conservatives to say rick perry is the guy you want to have in the white house? >> the work that needs to be done is right here in this building behind us and polling for an election that is better than two years off is i suppose good for polling companies but frankly it is not much good and i don't getty tracted by those. my work -- get distract #-d by me. my mork is to make sure that -- my work is to make sure that women get the healthcare that they deserve in these clinics and it is done safely and appropriately. that is what we are focused on and where we will be.
politics will play itself out over the next two and a half years before 2016 shows up. >> john: let me ask to close here what might be an obvious question at this point. you say the work is going on behind you in the texas legislature. why are you taking the time from that to go to san antonio to talk about your political future? >> people can multitask rather well and so san antonio is 75 miles. come on down to texas and i will show you how easy you can roll down that road and back. >> i have done it many, many times. governor rick perry thanks for joining us and we will be watching tomorrow afternoon at 1:00 in san antonio. >> thank you, john. >> john: a great city, by the way. >> you're welcome. so long. >> john: turmoil in egypt. now, that the military has overthrown the nation's first democratic 58lally elected president what does that mean for the the future of u.s. aid? @í0x;ñtask our sunday panel
dennis kucinich and juan williams. good morning to you all. >> good morning johnny is this >> john: is this going to embolden the islamic militants? >> i don't think we any way of knowing right now. this is completely up in the air as a jump ball would suggest. i would say that the question for americans is whether this administration's policy is designed to o bring about the desired outcome which would be kind of a peaceful and stable egypt on the path to democracy. the president said the other day, john, that speaking of this military coup and that is what it was is, that this is part of the "transition to democracy." when the military throws an elected leader out of office and takes charge of the government and begins locking up leaders of the previous
government and its adherents that is a peculiar way to describe it to call it a transition to democracy. so i -- and let's suppose that we ended up with muhammad elbaradei. it looks like it is not as final as it looked yesterday. but here is a man who has been no great friend of the united states. he has been when was head of the u.n. weapons agency he gave us fits in the effort to deter iran from its nuclear program just to cited one example. a kind of international bureaucrat that some people love. there are a lot of bad outcomes here and it is not at all clear to me we can get to a good one but we need to figure out as a nation and as an administration what is going on over here. >> how do you think the president is handling this? >> handling it by not taking
sides. yes, morsi was inept. yes, he was not inclusive. he had a lot of authoritarian tendencies. but to turn to the army which is what happened in egypt andthy administration stood by and let happen what the army takes it can give away. so it can depose the next government if there is popular uprising after this. and that is likely going to happen. this is a country with a dysfunctional economy. all sorts of problems. corruption. and doesn't have a history of civil liberties and which by the way the army reflects that behavior as well. >> john: every saturday we he have a call with the panel as we talk about the topics and dennis cu kucinich you had an interesting theory about what may have happened here based on the building right behind me on capitol hill. >> through 16 years in congress the only military which consistently visited my office and i would say i wasn't of a
special privilege or all over capitol hill the egyptian military. why do they do that? because the egyptian military gets more than 70% of the u.s -- of this budget comes from the u.s. taxpayers. we have an enormous influence on what the egyptian military does and to pretend that the white house staying aloof from this doesn't pass the straight face test frankly. there was a military coup. the military is getting backed financially by the u.s. and unless as senator john mccain said that we pull that aid we will have been instrumental in helping not jus just this coupt as nina implies perhaps the next one. we cannot tell islamists that we want them to pursue democratic traditions if in fact a democratically elected government who happens to believe in islam is suddenly dislodged in a coup by a
military which is backed by the united states. >> should we pull aid from the egypt military? >> obviously we want to exercise the lev than we have there. the reason we give the egyptians so much military aid is in fact because it is in our national interests. it is in our national interests in terms of looking at that region and looking at israel and trying to hold off what is taking place in syria. what is taking place in iraq. absolutely it is the case that egypt is an important ally to the united states. is why we need it to be stable. let's not have any delusions here. while brit may think that elbaradei is no friend to thade, the islamists in egypt see him as a secularist, a guy who spent most of his time in the west in new york and london and fear him. that is why yesterday they said they would pull out of any coalition if elbaradei was part of it. so from our perspective the u.s. perspective elbaradei is better than having some of these islamists take power again. i think the problem for the
islamists is they haven't demonstrated the capacity to govern and i think that is what the egyptian people said. >> neither have any of the opposition parties either because they are so horribly organized they he couldn't get it together the last election. >> the only institution that has the ability to govern there is the army which is hugely power. that is the institution that has been in power and that the public has turned to to guide a democracy which is probably not the direction you want to go if you really want a democracy. and this if you are not going to use military aid as leverage to move a country towards a democracy an inclusive democracy you are just not going to have any leverage and use your leverage? >> i think we to use our leverage. i don't have the inhibitions i'm hearing from some of you about saying to the military here is what is in the u.s. interest. as congressman kucinich said we put money in there for a very real reason which is that we he want influence. time to exercise it.
we have a new team in place in the who us with rice, hagel around kerr arery an kerry ando get morsi to be more compromising. he rue fused. don't be mistaken. he is not a good guy. >> whether you should make the decision to cut off aid now or keep it going is really two sides of the same coin. way of exercising the influence that the aid provides. something we apparently have failed 20 do during morsi's reign and morsi and his government and military were just as dependent on the aid as any current or now future government will be. a lot of that aid has to do with the treaty with israel which was a milestone. very critical in the middle east and has definitely helped. so if we are going to cut off aid we have to be careful about how we do it. which aid we cut off and so on. seems it is the right call to try to use the leverage one way
report other to try to bring -- or the other to get the country actually on a path to democracy. >> john: lit me jump in here -- let me jump in here. further discussion on this, let's leave that for panel plus coming up after the show. we have to take a break here. coming up, a obama care in trouble? the one year deployment of the employer mandate. we will ask the panel about the impact of the surprise announcement, coming up next.
we are back with the panel. nouri al-maliki jump ball. the beginning of the end for affordable care act? >> why don't you take it? >> focus on what the insurance companies are doing. they had a 16.1% return on their investment or equity. insurance companies are raising their premiums so they are helping to transform the affordable care act to the unaffordable care act. >> john: mark down the date and time of a democrat calling it the unaffordable care act. >> had good things. the conditions we know about that. getting children under 26 on parents policies. there is things that are good there but ultimately the flaw is this is a system a for profit system run by the insurance companies. the government sending up in subsidizing insurance companies and we will have to go to medicare for all. good for everyone and good for businesses. the cost costs lower. >> single payor which has --
>> i -- way, way, way back. >> but i think this does at least open o the way, it is not the end of the affordable care act but does open the door to changes in things like the business businessman date. pushing it back was a ro velt by businesses particularly in agriculture and retail and restaurant business. where they rely on part time employees and they were holding down the number of full time employees. so i think it was revolt for that. but even you heard senator corker this morning, let's change it. >> to repeal this mandate. employer mandate and if you do that how does the rest of it work? >> there is a good time the employer mandated never takes effect. >> john: implements the
other way. >> it could implemented the rest of it but the problem is we're dealing with two laws. the law of intended consequences. and it abounds here.they just me important ones, businesses are changing hires hiring practice practices to avoid having enough employees to be under the mandate. so you are getting part time workers and explosion in the hiring of part-time workers. this is not what the administration intended or the democrats in congress intended. so this is a situation where the law as written probably can't work. pieces will fall away or postponed or whatever. some legislative changes are in effect or whole thing may collapse. >> john: one other thing of unintended consequences i may have a lot of employers in 2014, they can get it
individually in these exchanges and whole bunch of people get dumped off healthcare of businesses. >> that is possible. let's realize i think it's 90 plus percent of american employers offer health insurance to their employees. if you look at americans as individuals, 80 plus percent get insurance from their employers. they are talking about a smuags segment. what is important is the individual mandate for young people the whole thing about the n.f.l. and n.b.a. help these young guys if it is in their interests to have insurance. republican opposition on that. and administration making this announcement trying to sneak it under the wire before the 4th of july so no one would notice. everyone noticed but especially republicans who are already planting ads saying this is going to go
against the world and -- i mean, it seems to be more of republicans that don't want it to work that don't have an alternative vision and who are invested, as you said repealed -- 37 times. >> john: here is the question dennis raises in the call. as to whether or not this is a revenue issue whether it belongs in the house as opposed in the treasury department. if it gets in into the house, and goes through a legislative process. >> no way jose. this is not happening. not with a democratic majority in the senate and democrat in the white house who needs the signature legislation. >> the other thing that has happened is the cost of individual policies skyrocketing and for healthy people skyrocketing as they bring more sick people in. there is a other source of fear being generating among the public and this is
outside analysis. >> "wall street journal" said a healthy man, aged 40 non-smoker is going to have to pay more if he wants individual insurance. of course, that is a very small segment of the american population. >> is it fair to tell employers you have a year delay to get it together but individuals, january, should it be the latest law? >> new law, we talk about businesses, small businesses in particular have seen their policies and will continue to see insurance policies increase. that is number one. number two all insurance policies are going up. this is reform within the context of a for profit system. the insurance companies are walking off to the bank. the consumers are getting it. >> the problem is what we're going to do is going to say people that are sick and don't have insurance
can buy it then. now that system which has to do with the preexisting conditions, is going to drive up the costs for everybody. there is no way around that. that would be true whether it was government system or whether it was private insurance companies administering it. >> john: we have to leave it there. we'll see you next week on the air. coming up, remember our discussion continues every sunday on panel plus. find it on oub website and it's even better than the discussions on tv. coming up next, sights and sounds for the past week as america celebrates its independence. ♪ ♪ ♪
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